Waifu_Slicer - Banned for coup

[Waifu_Slicer]

Ban reason: Participated in a coup against security.
Length of ban: Indefinite
Events leading to the ban: I had a normal shift as QM. The round was pretty messy, I didn't exactly know if there were any traitors, so I was just chilling. I went to a party at bridge with other heads and the HoS started to attack Captain with a baton saying he is "crazy". Captain was defending himself with his laser and was running away. I tried asking them what is going on and that they should stop, but HoS was trying to kill or arrest Captain. 
I ran away to cargo as I didn't want to get attacked. I was asking on the command radio if everything is ok, no response. Heard on common about sec coup, HoS still wasn't responding. I armed cargo and salvage with lasers and told them we need to help captain.

Cap was hiding in bridge, he shut the shutters when we have arrived. We proceed to security to find HoS. At security we get attacked by sec, we knock them down. We rescue warden who was arrested in a cell, Warden batoned the remaining security and we dragged them to medbay to sort this out. We haven't found the HoS, so i wanted to go to bridge to give Captain some weapons and call evac, but I got banned before I could do that.
 

Reason the ban should be removed: I believe I haven't actually killed anyone, I haven't seen anyone executing sec offs that were on the ground. We also left after rescuing Warden as we couldn't find the HoS.
I didn't have any intent to self antag or ruin the round, I saw HoS attacking the Captain and talking gibberish. If Captain was an antag, I'm sorry, I didn't know, no one bothered to explain anything. I just didn't want to be passive since no one was trying to stop HoS.

[mushroomLavender]

Hi Waifu_Slicer,

Due to your direct involvement and incitement of self-antag behavior en masse, we would like for you to go over your side and the full context as to what led to the incident and the battle of attrition from both security and cargo, as well as the regular crew members.

Full context is required and the littlest of details as we sort this out.

[Waifu_Slicer]

Thank you for a fast response,
I have summarised everything chronologically in "events leading to the ban". I'll try to make it more comprehensible this time.
- Me(QM) and other heads were at bridge.
- At bridge HoS started cuffing Captain, which the Cap resisted. HoS started melee attacking him, Captain was defending himself with his laser. I ask HoS why is he attacking Cap and HoS said "Because he is crazy"
- I retreat to cargo and try talking on the radio. I couldn't figure out why HoS was attacking Captain
- I hear on the radio about security rebelling against the captain, I buy lasers and armored vests.
- Me and cargo crew chill for about 10 minutes in our department, doing Lime bounties and listening to the radio
- I still have no news from Cap, all I'm hearing is that security attacked the Captain.
- Since I was afraid that can be antagonists, I order cargo to equip the weapons. I tell them we need to rescue captain, because security is staging a coup.
- We check on Captain at bridge. Captain said "I don't even care anymore". He locked himself and closed the shutters.
- We move to security. I tell the officers we want to see HoS. I see the Warden arrested, sitting in a cell.
- A fight breaks out. I don't know who shot first, I saw one sec attacking a salvager and they were defending themselves. I shoot a couple of times from my laser, haven't killed anyone or magdumped anyone.
- I rescue the Warden, the Warden goes to the Armory and gets attacked by a security, but manages to baton him. I don't get involved.
- I grab a gun from armory and put it in my backpack. I wanted to go to bridge and arm the Captain, then wait for evac.
- My health is red, I go to medbay. I see people dragging security to medbay.
- I patch myself up and look for food. A cadet gets revived, I tell him "Security is under arrest for attacking Captain, don't do anything."
- Cadet tells me that I am under arrest and cuffs me, I don't resist.
- I say on the radio that I am being kidnapped by sec at medbay.
- A random person tries to help me and grabs a gun that I dropped to the ground when getting cuffed and magdumps that security cadet.
- I tell the person "don't kill him". They say they won't and begin to heal them right away.
- I start to pass out from injuries and hunger/thirst.
- Then I got banned.

I didn't want to kill the security or harm any other crew, you can check the chatlogs as I was talking to all of cargo before doing anything. HoS was not responding to me or anyone else and we wanted to stop him from harming crew. I think i haven't killed anyone, I wasn't trying to at least.
All I wanted to do was prevent the shift from going into complete chaos and prevent people from attacking the Captain, which I failed.
Maybe my inexperience has made me confused as to what was actually happening, I still don't know if HoS or any other were an antagonist. 

 

[Skarlet]

After reviewing the round, here are the discrepenties I could find:

2 hours ago, Waifu_Slicer said:

- At bridge HoS started cuffing Captain, which the Cap resisted. HoS started melee attacking him, Captain was defending himself with his laser. I ask HoS why is he attacking Cap and HoS said "Because he is crazy"
- I retreat to cargo and try talking on the radio. I couldn't figure out why HoS was attacking Captain
- I hear on the radio about security rebelling against the captain, I buy lasers and armored vests.
- Me and cargo crew chill for about 10 minutes in our department, doing Lime bounties and listening to the radio
- I still have no news from Cap, all I'm hearing is that security attacked the Captain.
- Since I was afraid that can be antagonists, I order cargo to equip the weapons. I tell them we need to rescue captain, because security is staging a coup.

A security officers approaches you about wanting to check in on the Captain and HoP, in the bridge. You ask on radio if they are both alive, and you follow the officer to the bridge. Inside, you find the HoS, Captain and HoP; The HoS is attempting to non-lethally arrest the Captain, to which the Captain responds to by running away. The HoS gets stamcrit, and you hit him with your guitar. The HoP attempts to stop the officer from arresting the HoS, and you follow sec as the Captain shoots at officers with his laser, who were non-lethally arresting him. You once again, hit the officers with your guitar, twice this time. Captain gets away and HoS resorts to lethals against him, which the Captain responds to by critting him with his laser. You follow the HoS into medical as he gets revived. Not 5 minutes have passed since you have left medical and you tell the Captain, who came to cargo, that sec is rebelling and that you need to declare independence. You order weapons, saying 'Long live cargo'
 

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I rescue the Warden, the Warden goes to the Armory and gets attacked by a security, but manages to baton him. I don't get involved.

After a bunch of shooting in security, you walk into the armory to aid the 'warden' (a service worker), and shoot at a security officer, who is being overrun by cargo staff, accidentally downing one of your salvagers.
 

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Cadet tells me that I am under arrest and cuffs me, I don't resist.

A random person tries to help me and grabs a gun that I dropped to the ground when getting cuffed and magdumps that security cadet.

In the medical bay, you drop from lack of food; the warden cuffs you in crit and gets you medical aid. You ask the paramedic to 'Shoot him' because 'He is with HoS', to which the paramedic answers by downing the warden.

Would you like to provide any additional comments on this matter?

[Waifu_Slicer]

Yeah, sounds accurate to what happened. Can't remember seeing HoS at medbay though.
I didn't know the Warden wasn't in fact a Warden.
As I've said, security was planning on rebelling, please check their perspective as well. I didn't just buy guns, because I saw HoS try to arrest the Cap. Also I wasn't trying to kill HoS with the guitar, just wanted them to stop and talk, maybe focus me instead of Cap.

[Skarlet]

The admin team has decided to accept the appeal, reducing it to a one week game ban as well as an appeal-only command role ban. You may appeal the role ban separately.