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Karl K. Patts - Singuloosing


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Ban reason:  Singuloosing with prior self antag issues.

Length of ban:  2 months

Events leading to the ban: 
I was an assistant for this round (arrived late to shift) and focused on becoming a fashion sensation. I needed insulated gloves to pull my style together, and tried to buy some from engineering several times but was constantly denied. I then fell into a small depression as I felt incomplete without the silly yellow gloves. Tried to fill the void with anything else I could do, like painting and soul searching in the maints. Not even the Skub helped :( That was until I noticed a warping effect coming from engineering. It was the Lord, The Savior.  I found my purpose and decided the best course of action was to become one with the Singulo. (This was around the 20-30 minute mark I believe. )

I proceeded to spend the next 30 minutes quietly obtaining the tools and outfit needed to sneak into the PA room without being caught and arrested. I then proceeded to break into the PA room around the 1 hour mark (give or take 10 minutes), and set the level to 3. I then fled the scene because I heard a door open and thought I was gonna be beaten to death before becoming one with the lord, and quickly fled before anyone noticed and waited for the right moment to throw myself into the lord. 

This never happened as the Singulo appeared to go into deep space, too far for me to reach it. 

That's when I got bwoinked by TomCruize, asking why I set the PA to level 3. I told him I worshipped the Singulo, in which he replied, "That's not a valid reason." This is where I got confused because a Singuloose event has occured many times due to this exact reason before without anyone being banned and responded to him with a message implying many have done this before for this reasoning and got away with it.  I just waited for a response, but he didn't say anything afterwards. Instead, a few minutes later I just received a 2 month ban as the evac shuttle was leaving. 

Reason the ban should be removed:  

I'd prefer a ban reduction for a week rather than a full ban appeal is that's possible. This appeal's also being written because of the lack of communication, and I would like some of my questions answered. 
With all due respect, 2 months is heinous for something that most players are eager to perform, let alone get away with scott-free. 

My reasoning for appealing the lengthy ban is because this has never been an issue to admins before.
I'm gonna be honest, I have done this before several times, as I have messed with the PA out of curiosity my first time and was not contacted by the admins then. 
I have even done this before as an assistant breaking into engi to release it for the sake of stopping a zombie infection by having it swallowed by the Singulo. It didn't work and I did more harm than good, but I was not bwoinked for that either.
There have also been several cases of non-antag engineers and other players releasing the singularity 30 minutes to an hour within the game without being bwoinked by an admin as far as I could tell. 
Point is: Why is this an issue now if it wasn't one before? Especially when damage was minimal to non-existent as far as I could tell, AME was left untouched, and the round was already coming to an end. The singularity was released around the hour mark of the shift and the shuttle was already called by that time. 

Another question I have is regarding the lack of communication from TomCruize, after saying how the engineers have done this before with the reason being to worship the singulo. He did not provide a counter-argument or any respond afterwards, neither did he explain I would be banned and for how long. I was only banned at round-end. 
I even tried to contact him via discord to see if I could ask a few questions before submitting an appeal, but he just didn't want to talk.
If they would have talked to me a little more like other admins, I wouldn't have much of a problem. But instead, there was nothing and left me with more questions than answers. 
 

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The singularity didn't go off into space, it was deleted by an admin. People are regularly banned for singuloosing. I don't know why you're speculating whether or not someone else is bwoinked by an admin, you don't really have a way of knowing if someone is bwoinked or not. I doubt most other players in the round, if any, knew that you had been bwoinked. Iirc you have many notes of various self antagging behavior. Admins are instructed to not discuss bans in DMs on discord and are not required to convince you that a ban is justified before banning you, especially in cases like this one.

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I speculate because I've seen other non-antag players release the Singulo, and I'll see them still in the game the following round. I've also said I've done this before and never got bwoinked.

Also what caused the admin to delete it that round?

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21 minutes ago, Chief_Engineer said:

Admins are instructed to not discuss bans in DMs on discord and are not required to convince you that a ban is justified before banning you, especially in cases like this one.

Ok so this leads to two new questions, how come discussions regarding the ban are forbidden? Wouldn't it be more important for some more communication from the ahelp box if outside discussions are forbidden?

 

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41 minutes ago, KarlKPatts said:

Also what caused the admin to delete it that round?

The fact that a non-antag clearly self antagged to release it

27 minutes ago, KarlKPatts said:

how come discussions regarding the ban are forbidden?

It's not, we're discussing it right now. The difference is that we're doing it here instead of in DMs

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36 minutes ago, KarlKPatts said:

I speculate because I've seen other non-antag players release the Singulo, and I'll see them still in the game the following round. I've also said I've done this before and never got bwoinked.

Also what caused the admin to delete it that round?

Just because non-antag players don't get caught or you don't get caught for massively damaging the station or sabotaging the singularity doesn't mean it is suddenly OK for you to do. The admin deleted the singularity so a self-antagonist wouldn't ruin the round for everyone else.

23 minutes ago, KarlKPatts said:

Ok so this leads to two new questions, how come discussions regarding the ban are forbidden? Wouldn't it be more important for some more communication from the ahelp box if outside discussions are forbidden?

Because if we had to convince people to agree to be banned we would spend majority of our time arguing with people. You also have a significant number of notes for generally being problematic and self-antagonizing. I'm not sure why you think it's okay to break into engineering when they deny you insulated gloves and sabotage the singularity.

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11 hours ago, lonesoldier55 said:

Just because non-antag players don't get caught or you don't get caught for massively damaging the station or sabotaging the singularity doesn't mean it is suddenly OK for you to do. The admin deleted the singularity so a self-antagonist wouldn't ruin the round for everyone else.

So this has got me curious because if a Singulo can quickly get detected through logs, how would it be able to sneak under the radar at other times?

 

11 hours ago, lonesoldier55 said:

Because if we had to convince people to agree to be banned, we would spend majority of our time arguing with people. 

I see an issue with this. The point of the bwoinkening is to explain why what a player did something, and elaborate details on its context, and explain whether or not the player will be banned. 

Can't argue the word is final if there is little to no word given. 

Also arguing will happen regardless of not continuing to talk via ahelp. Hence right now. If anything, giving more reasoning would make it easier for you guys and provide more receipts to further appeals.

Plus a lack of communication sounds like it could be easily abused in the future. 
 

11 hours ago, lonesoldier55 said:

You also have a significant number of notes for generally being problematic and self-antagonizing. 

I really wouldn't call 3 notes significant. But yes, I know I self-antagged in past rounds. Just like everyone else who has played this game. 
 

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