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SS14 account username: StinkoBrinkley / terezi4real if it changes idk i guess theres a delay
Ban reason: Metacomms/Macro Use
Date of ban: June 5th
Length of ban: Appeal
Events leading to the ban: Yall already know lets be real here, lilten was streaming, i went over to him and we both got flushed into singulo, i used a macro i had been using to le funny spam squeak as hammy to say "hi liltenhead" and was then banned, then my appeal was denied, my second appeal sat for a week, i became emboldened with the fire of a greytide scorned and posted an essay in discord about how it was my opinion the "the ban is the warning" system i felt the mod team employed was negatively impacting players and creating more work for the mods, that got my appeal denied, and then i went on vacation, i have returned and there appears to be some changes to the ban policy getting set up... aint that somethin.
Reason the ban should be removed: look guys, im a cool dude i live my life with an effort to leave others be if i cant help them. but i felt wronged, and i reacted, and that has created a spiral that has led to us having a whole lot of animosity, i never wanted this, i love this game and i want to get back on upstream, you guys have really been going at it this past month, some dope ass additions. the only other problem ive caused was welderbombing someone on my first day of play, im not gonna metacomm, as i said in my essay the ahelp was enough to set me straight. i humbly ask you give me a chance and i will prove i am a positive force on the server, i will never self antag, metagame, metacomm, textspeak, metagrudge or break any other rules for as long as i play, i promisse, you can watch me 24/7 and if i slip up once you can deliver me a perma and i will never return. deal?

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1 hour ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

i have returned and there appears to be some changes to the ban policy getting set up... aint that somethin.

The ban policy changes are unrelated, we've been working on them since June 26th. The current draft of the guidelines would still have recommended an indefinite ban in your case. The only impact they would have had on your most recent ban is an admin who didn't place the ban would have been able to process your appeal without having to run a vote after it had been up for 7 days.

Including this one, you have accumulated 3 bans within 15 days, not including the extension to one for bragging about it in discord. This is far outside of the normal rate of issues from players. Looking through your notes, the draft guidelines would have recommended banning you in at least 2 instances where you were not banned.

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hello. may 17th, the date of my first ban. is 19 days away from June 5th, the date of my second and only other ban. i would love to hear your train of thought that implies i have been banned 3 times in the span of 15 days.

are you getting confused and thinking a my 2 denied appeals for this minor incident is a new ban?

are you getting confused and mistaking you changing the terms of my ban to allow my brother to play on the same IP are new bans?

are you getting confused and looking through my player logs to see other instances where i was not banned for some grievance, and now, retroactively counting them as bans in order to deny this one?

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A complete history of my time on upstream

first day of play, welderbombed someone 20 seconds before endscreen, banned for 12 hours, went to the disc and complained about this, not having the since gained context of the community culture and the importance of the rules in this community, my ban was extended for "bragging" which is in no way what i was intending to or ended up doing.

waited that ban out, joined and played generally without incident for 2 weeks until i was banned for this*, for which i immediately apologized to liltenhead in stream chat as well as later in dms, from his words i felt forgiven. my first appeal was denied, i waited 2 weeks and posted my second appeal, which sat on the forums for a week, where i then pointed out the vast differences in my experiences on other servers, having been given a warning and a chance to correct my behaviour before a ban. and how that was not the case on upstream. i posted this message on june 29th, had you been working on the new policy, i would assume that would have been mentioned to me, instead of getting a quick snooty response my unban request denied out of,, hmm i think we can call it spite. i waited another 9 days for my vacation to transpire and posted this one.

*you were the one who banned me, and it is my belief that i almost got away with it, as i said sorry and was left to my own devices for about a minute, i then sent another ahelp, saying that the macro i had used was easily set up and easily preventable, with a suggestion to curb future users of it. you, in a bit of a tone, said that the devs werent gonna tune around the fix for people using it legitimately and my ban was doled out a few seconds later. it is entirely possible the delay was entirely made up of you preparing my ban, but thats not exactly how i see it.

simply put, i am not a problem player, i play on deltaV and frontier just fine. i dont break the rules. you guys caught me in my first day of play, and have caught me twice defending myself, the first time a bit rudely i will admit, but otherwise i was simply stating my own opinion, and was punished for it. we must be honest with ourselves, my transgression was barely deserving of any ban at all, a warning and a clarification that that was against the metacomms rules would have stopped it and set me straight in perpetuity. it is only because of personal animosity that was created that i have been banned as long as i have.

after this response i do not really care, if i am unbanned at any date i will join and be a model player and never catch even a bwoink again. if i am denied again i will not submit another unban request, i will play on deltaV, frontier, and dedicate myself fully to my own servers that are in the works. it is very clear i am not wanted on upstream.

Your least pleasant player :3
-Terezi   

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5 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

hello. may 17th, the date of my first ban. is 19 days away from June 5th, the date of my second and only other ban. i would love to hear your train of thought that implies i have been banned 3 times in the span of 15 days.

are you getting confused and thinking a my 2 denied appeals for this minor incident is a new ban?

are you getting confused and mistaking you changing the terms of my ban to allow my brother to play on the same IP are new bans?

are you getting confused and looking through my player logs to see other instances where i was not banned for some grievance, and now, retroactively counting them as bans in order to deny this one?

Sorry, 16 days

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June 5th is the day your appeal for your most recent ban was denied, not the day the ban was made. You made the appeal on June 2nd, you didn't make an appeal before you were banned.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

are you getting confused and looking through my player logs to see other instances where i was not banned for some grievance, and now, retroactively counting them as bans in order to deny this one?

Nothing you've done prior which you haven't been banned for is being considered a ban, but it's not going to be ignored in your appeal. You wanted to point to the new ban guidelines draft as if admins in the past had gone too hard on you, but you somehow managed to receive warnings for things that are hard to frame as innocent mistakes. The admin team regularly reviews player notes when reviewing appeals, a player who has been banned 3 times and has no other noted issues will not be treated.

5 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

first day of play, welderbombed someone 20 seconds before endscreen, banned for 12 hours, went to the disc and complained about this, not having the since gained context of the community culture and the importance of the rules in this community, my ban was extended for "bragging" which is in no way what i was intending to or ended up doing.

I don't know when your first day of significant play was, or when you first actually joined a round, but you have many connections between May 4th and the day of your first ban. It doesn't appear that it was simply a new player's mistake. I didn't count the ban extension as one of the 3 bans you've had. While I don't know the exact details that led to the extension, multiple people seem to have interpreted it as bragging about your ban.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

waited that ban out, joined and played generally without incident for 2 weeks until i was banned for this*,

I would not describe RDM via welderbombing someone because "sounds like natural selection to me", stealing from people at arrivals even after being told not to, blatantly bypassing chat restrictions with emotes, and, as a member of command, helping a syndie kill one of your subordinates, as "generally without incident".

Most players are "generally without incident". Most players follow the rules without any need for warnings. Some players receive warnings for minor slipups like OOC terms IC, text speak, or bypassing chat restrictions with emotes. Most players do not, as a head, work with an antag to murder a subordinate.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

having been given a warning and a chance to correct my behaviour before a ban. and how that was not the case on upstream.

You received numerous warnings for multiple issues over the course of your short playtime, multiple of these warnings did not result in bans. It is not the job of game admins to read the rules to you.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

i posted this message on june 29th, had you been working on the new policy, i would assume that would have been mentioned to me, instead of getting a quick snooty response my unban request denied out of,, hmm i think we can call it spite.

I don't think someone responding to your complaint about being banned and asking we ban less by telling you we are have begun working on a new policy, which would not have resulted in you getting less bans, would have helped. Your appeal was denied because you said you "dont care about being unbanned" and we're not going to waste time processing appeals for players who don't care if they get unbanned.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

it is entirely possible the delay was entirely made up of you preparing my ban, but thats not exactly how i see it.

It unfortunately does take time to review past notes and bans, and to type out notes and ban reasons. I would encourage you to accept the reasonable, and what you agree is plausible, explanation for events rather than favoring a less reasonable one.

6 hours ago, StinkoBrinkley said:

it is only because of personal animosity that was created that i have been banned as long as i have.

The sole factor in the length of your ban was our current ban policy, which requires that a 3rd ban within 6 months be an appeal ban. You can look through past appeals to see that this is a regular practice. If you want to describe your prior bans and notes as animosity which you've created, then yes, you have only been banned as long as you have due to animosity which you've created, but I wouldn't personally describe past bans and notes as creating animosity. A majority of internal appeal discussions are mundane, and I don't believe yours was any different.

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If anything this appeal has demonstrated you aren't as problem-free a player as you claim to be and your behavior in relation to this in the past few weeks has really knocked over any leg you might have had to stand on. I personally struggle to understand why you intend on submitting this ultimatum of an appeal when you've clearly stated that you are currently playing on other servers you like better for various reasons, unless you are merely looking for validation that we want to keep you banned. In reality, we just want to be relatively sure you're not going to continue to be a problem, which is not something you've illustrated.

While I doubt you will change your mind anytime soon (or at all), feel free to submit an appeal if you want to genuinely address concerns regarding your behavior.

Denied.

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For someone who claims they are having such a great time on other servers and has no need of Wizard's Den, you are particularly insistent on trying to evade your ban under multiple accounts. While I doubt this changes your intentions, this is now a voucher ban for anyone else reading.

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