Tator1

Just give me the griefing medical doctor's ban then if I am the only one responsible for them to start randomly murdering people, hah. You do see how that's crazy, right? I did not mind control them or anything like that. I did not tell them to start griefing, either. Also you are preaching the choir about saying that giving AA for little reason as cap is wrong on this server, I am aware of that now, as I have said earlier. Let me also reiterate that I did not intend to ruin the QM's round from the start, that is why I spent so much time asking them if they really were going to go up against me. I chose to escalate but so did they, though, of course, I am more in the wrong than they are. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances. But yeah, it wasn't a long ban and you are the boss. I have read the rules carefully now so that mistakes like this would not happen again. Apologies once more. Further, I'll make sure to spare inventory space for disablers in the future, since critting and healing people is much, much worse than non-lethaling them even on LRP.

Let me make clear that I completely agree that I had some responsibility for the griefer's actions but only to the point of giving them AA, the rest is up to them. You made it sound like it was entirely on me enabling them when we talked, though I do see why you would be frustrated, at the time. It's okay to feel that way but I believe it had a detrimental effect on your actions as an admin. The QM absolutely had a right to verbally disagree, though they were more than just upset. That is putting it very lightly. When they don't even bother answering if they will conduct treason, I don't see it far-fetched that that is their plan, based on my experience. If they said that they are not going to treason me, I would have just let it be even though they might backstab me later. I can't prove it beyond any doubts, either way, naturally, but I can point out that I was banned for being too lenient. I would have been lenient with them as well, meaning that my claim is at least in accordance with my track record.

Oh and the admin in question was lonesoldier55.

I can't edit the post anymore so here's a summary that fits the ban appeals template: SS14 account username: Tator Ban reason: See picture. Date of ban: See picture. Length of ban: See picture. Events leading to the ban: I unintentionally broke the server rules as the captain by giving two people, a scientist and a medical doctor, all-access. This angered the Quartermaster, who started to berate me, which ultimately lead to me critting, arresting and demoting them. Meanwhile, the medical doctor was choosing to use their all-access to grief and was punished by an admin, separately. Reason the ban should be removed: Please see above.

I was not even sure if I would appeal this since, honestly, I do deserve at least some kind of a ban. But, in the end, I think I want to be heard by the broader admin team here, as well. My side of the story here is that I unintentionally broke the rules but don't think this framing of what I did is fair. I did not know it's an OOC issue to give people AA as captain, this is honestly due to complacency since I am so used to it being an IC issue back in the day. I apologize for this one, my bad. However, I don't think asking a QM that persistently keeps calling you a shitter as a captain if they are going to commit treason an "inane" question. That is a part of what I object to. The QM was furious because a scientist that I gave AA to quickly visited cargo, going through cargo-access doors and maybe (I did not see) taking a non-essential cargo item for their job, and left. I don't think the scientist in question made the QM's job any worse for him, from a more objective sense. It would be stupid to just let the QM arm up and be a bigger problem later if they are going to treason me. When I ask them directly, they at least have to lie about it or be honest and be arrested. The QM did not answer me even though I gave them more than enough time, around two to three minutes, to answer a yes or no question. With a final warning that I will consider their answer to be "yes" if they choose to continue to evade the question, I took action and arrested the QM. I did not have a disabler with me so I had to put them to crit to detain them. I dragged them to medbay, let the CMO heal them and demoted them, taking their ID. I asked the QM several times if they wanted another job, they chose not to answer me. The admin that banned me said that I completely ruined their round but I don't think that's a fair assessment: they had a hand to play in ruining it for themselves. They could have de-escalated by saying that they are not treasoning me or even accepted a new job. They did not want to. That's their choice, not mine. Also, I did give a medical doctor AA since they asked if they could be captain. I did not want to disappoint them so I let them be my lieutenant. Unfortunately, they started to straight-up grief later on. The admin in question said that it's on me they chose to do this. I disagree. It was their choice to break the rules, not mine. I never told them to be a griefer, they chose to do that on their own. I feel that holding me responsible for this is unfair. With that being said, I fully accept the blame for giving them AA in the first place and breaking the command rules. Now, the reason for my topic's title is that I don't want to appeal my sentence if it's only for giving people AA as a command role. Based on how the ban description is written, though, it seems not to be. That is the part I am typing this appeal to. I don't have the admin's name that banned me offhand, it ended in 55. I think they were uncooperative and had already chosen the punishment before even discussing it with me, making the discussion largely pointless. It felt very far from an objective assessment of the situation, rather, it was a person that was already angry with me doing what they were going to do from the start. I might be wrong, of course, but I don't think it's too unreasonable to suspect this due to what my chat with them was like. My intent as a command staff role is, for the most part, improve people's rounds while having fun, myself. That is why I gave the scientist and medical doctor AA, to have fun with. To be the cool captain. It was a low population EU round so I thought it would be fine. In hindsight, this was a mistake, but I don't think the way the admin framed it all was okay. Thanks for taking your time reading my appeal.